Thursday, June 09, 2005

"Founding Fathers"

This information is all around on the internet in various locations and formats - but never enough - especially if one needs some references when talking to one of those gosh-bless-amerika church-state-blending dunderheads.


Here are the "Founding Father's" view of Christianity.

Thomas Jefferson:

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men women and children since the introduction of Christianity have been burnt - tortured - fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites: To support roguery and error all over the earth."

"Christianity ... The most perverted system that ever shone on man. Rogueries - absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul. The first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves ... these clergy - in fact - constitute the real Anti Christ."

John Adams:

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds - Confessions - Doctrines and Oaths and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11:

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

Note: The Treaty of Tripoli passed by the Senate in 1797. Read In Part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate But only the third time a vote was unanimous. There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in Full in Three newspapers - Two in Philadelphia and one in New York City. There is no record of Public Outcry or complaint in Editions of the papers.

Thomas Paine:

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book." [ The Bible. ]

"Among the most detestable villains in history. You could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys. To massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by [ attaching ] it to this filthy book. [ The Bible. ]"

"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."

"The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person [ Jesus. ] who lived a life of poverty."

James Madison:

"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty does not need the clergy."

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

The Founding Fathers were a reflection of the American population. They Escaped from the State Established Religions of Europe. Only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.

The rise of Conservative Baptists is one of the more interesting developments of American History. I'll explain. The Baptists believed God's authority came from the People. Not the priesthood and they had been persecuted for this belief. It was the Baptists who were instrumental in Securing the Separation of Church and State. They knew you can not have a "one way wall" that lets religion into government but that does not let it out. They knew no religion is capable of handling political power without becoming corrupted by it. They knew it was Christ himself who first proposed the separation of church and state. I think most people have heard this line. "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto the Lord that which is the Lord's."